Spandex Sidney
1:56 Mon Nov 28
Re: Noble thanks mate but your time is up.
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In the old days he would be moved to a sweeper role, he'd be ideal for that. However I don't think anyone has played with a sweeper since about 1984?
I can deffo see him being Tomkins'd at the end of the season.
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zico
2:20 Mon Nov 28
Re: Noble thanks mate but your time is up.
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Problem is with three at the back when defending it becomes 5 at the back and if Payet and Lanzini stay out wide that means we only have two in the middle and Nobes is not cut out for being in a two.
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dazz
7:07 Mon Nov 28
Re: Noble thanks mate but your time is up.
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We can ill-afford passengers,,,especially in midfield...
for the main that's what Nobes is, Hate to say it.
All we can do is hope he finds last years form... hopeful
but unlikely..
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Private Dancer
8:09 Mon Nov 28
Re: Noble thanks mate but your time is up.
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Just as I was cursing him for making error after error in the second half he seemed to get a second wind from somewhere and finished the game really well, so he is obviously very fit.
I don't like criticising him as he has done great for us, but for the best part he looks like an old guy chasing around a bunch of kids.
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Grumpster
9:25 Mon Nov 28
Re: Noble thanks mate but your time is up.
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He's never been blessed with pace, but he was up against a pretty decent midfield yesterday.
I know people like to call this Man Utd team shit, but with the odd exception most of them would walk into our team.
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riosleftsock
9:30 Mon Nov 28
Re: Noble thanks mate but your time is up.
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Couple of decent tackles/challenges on Pogba yesterday.
Apart from a dodgy ten minutes when he and all our team kept giving the ball away, I thought Noble had a decent game.
Still think Randolph was the best player for us yesterday.
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Willtell
9:36 Mon Nov 28
Re: Noble thanks mate but your time is up.
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I think he was outclassed yseterday but I like him. I think the OP is right though and we need better or Nobes needs to make a big improvement...
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nerd
9:47 Mon Nov 28
Re: Noble thanks mate but your time is up.
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After watching Arsenal against them and feyenord mid week, in which man utd looked very good against both , yes we weren't great but we looked better than those two teams by some margin. Man utd are actually a good team.
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Gavros
10:04 Mon Nov 28
Re: Noble thanks mate but your time is up.
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Think it's going to be increasingly hard to justify his selection when kouyate comes back into the midfield and with Fernandez knocking on the door.
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claret on my shirt
10:30 Mon Nov 28
Re: Noble thanks mate but your time is up.
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funny how he has gone from fucking awesome last year to some peoples's fall guy this year. Kind of pathetic
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Rossal
10:59 Mon Nov 28
Re: Noble thanks mate but your time is up.
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He didnt have a shocker yesterday as this thread would suggest. Not his best game but was involved in a good point at a tough place to go.
Expect him to start against Arsenal sat
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jack flash
11:10 Mon Nov 28
Re: Noble thanks mate but your time is up.
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He had a poor game & gave the ball away in dangerous positions a couple of times, which could easily have led to goals, but got away with it
I don't for one moment believe his time's up because of a few bad games. I think he'll get his form back to what it was last season
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zebthecat
11:26 Mon Nov 28
Re: Noble thanks mate but your time is up.
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Did I miss something or did we actually lose yesterday?
Sure he gave the ball away a couple times but he didn't exactly have a shocker.
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Russ of the BML
11:46 Mon Nov 28
Re: Noble thanks mate but your time is up.
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I thought he played well yesterday. I certainly didn't expect him to be singled out and criticised but it seems that Noble is often the duck that everyone shoots at.
He started well and did what was required of him. Had a poor spell in the second half and was getting by-passed but I thought he then finished strongly. Made some great tackles near the end.
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Infidel
11:49 Mon Nov 28
Re: Noble thanks mate but your time is up.
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I think it's right to ask questions about Noble, but not because of yesterday's game. You don't judge a player on one game.
The questions for me arise because until now we have not had any better options in Noble's position, which you can broadly describe as a box to box midfielder.
Recently we have started to see Obiang grow into a better option in that position, and that has given Bilic a selection headache.
Noble is the club captain. He's an Academy product and West Ham through and through. He also had a very good season last year. It's a big call to leave him out.
But putting him in the team alongside Obiang means we have to drop one of the forwards, as we did yesterday (Ayew dropped to the bench) which means we are much less of a threat going forward.
We pack the midfield - but leave a lone striker isolated up front (which has been a problem we have had for many years now).
When Noble was suspended for the Tottenham game Bilic fielded two forwards and left the heavy lifting to Obiang. It worked, and demonstrated that we don't need two holding players in front of the back three.
I had hoped Bilic would see that and do it again at OT so I was disappointed when I saw the team sheet. It was a team set out to avoid losing rather than to win the game.
Bilic has a choice to make. The right decision is fielding only one player to shield the back three, and that player has to be Obiang - on merit. If he plays both Obiang and Noble he is inviting teams to attack us and hoping we can hit them on the break, which is not really our game.
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franksfat&slow&wank
11:50 Mon Nov 28
Re: Noble thanks mate but your time is up.
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wise words infidel
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HairyHammer
11:51 Mon Nov 28
Re: Noble thanks mate but your time is up.
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The team is not at full strength and not playing with full confidence no one player should be singled out.
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Sesar
11:55 Mon Nov 28
Re: Noble thanks mate but your time is up.
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Infidel 11:49 Mon Nov 28
Chelsea play the same system and have Kante and Matic holding
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neilalex
11:58 Mon Nov 28
Re: Noble thanks mate but your time is up.
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I think the problem is exactly as Infidel describes below, namely that the inclusion of Obiang and Noble doesn't suit us, and invariably leads to an isolated forward and the whole team sitting too deep.
Essentially Obiang and Noble compete for one position, and at the moment I think Obiang gets the nod. That wouldn't necessarily always be the case.
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Sesar
12:09 Mon Nov 28
Re: Noble thanks mate but your time is up.
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This system needs two midfielders who can defend as they are only two in the middle
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claret on my shirt
12:11 Mon Nov 28
Re: Noble thanks mate but your time is up.
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trouble is the squad is terribly unbalanced and we had shit summer signings, so it's hard to drop Noble (not that i would) because there are few options if any to replace him.
He links the play up very well, he's never going to be spectacular that's not his job.
Yesterday they had something like 70% possession, he covered a huge amount of ground which goes unnoticed
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